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                     I absolutely loved Smith Westerns. Their second album,
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                      Dye It Blonde
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                     , is a Pitchfork Era classic that still holds up. That band had a public split, and a great new band emerged: Whitney. Their third album,
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                      Small Talk
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                     , comes out next week, but it feels timeless, like it’s always existed—the sound drifts between classic Americana, soul, and 1970s soft rock, all draped in a hazy, pastoral warmth. It is effortlessly listenable.
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                     Whitney’s guitarist Max Kakacek and drummer-vocalist Julien Ehrlich are best friends. They live together, record together, and tour together. I spoke to them from their shared home studio in
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                     about returning to form, bad reviews, finding a musical idea that sustains you, and being confronted with metrics.
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                       GQ:
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                      I have this great memory from when the first album came out. I was on this awful sailing trip in
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                       Mallorca
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                      that I didn't want to be on. I was in charge of music, and I played your first album, and that was one thing everybody agreed on. It became the soundtrack to this whole trip, where I was at my wit’s end. Then you guys went in a different direction for a little while. This feels like a return to form. Was that calculated, or is this “We did a lap, and now we're back?”
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                      Julien Ehrlich
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                     : Definitely the latter. It's funny —we basically sent ourselves down a path of extremes. When we made the second record, we weren't succumbing to pressure or anything, but a lot of people were like, "Do it again," because the first record did pretty well. The second record was so challenging to make because we didn't allow ourselves to paint with different colors. But I love the second record for that reason. It's a bit meta. You can kind of hear the struggle. There's some beauty in it. But since we made the second record that way, I don't think we would've made another Whitney record unless we completely shifted on the third record. This being the fourth record, we got the shift out of our system. We weren't being calculated to return, but it felt like we were free to make whatever we wanted for the first time.
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                      The first album is what music sounds like now. Everybody's got pedal steel. But you guys did that at a time when part of the reason it worked was because it felt very different. Now the world has gone in your direction. Musically, it feels like you're either
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                       Sabrina Carpenter
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                      or you have pedal steel. In between, the gulf is so enormous.
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                     That's one of the reasons that I love the new
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                      Geese
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                     . It checks neither of those boxes. It's such a great record, but it doesn't have pedal steel. It's funny that you bring that up. I'm not trying to hate, but the issue with pedal steel is that people will lean on it and forget to write a great song. It makes you go numb.
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                      You guys have been around for a long time, and you see how these trends come back around. Smith Westerns was a time, and Whitney was a time. But Whitney is a time again.
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                     : I do remember having conversations at the end of Smith Westerns when Whitney was starting, and I was talking to some other Chicago musicians. They were like, "What are you working on?" I was like, "I think me and Julien are starting a country band." And they were like, "What the fuck are you talking about?" And this was in 2012, 2013. So "indie rock," big quotes there, was a completely different thing.
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                      Here we are. You guys have been professional musicians for a really long time. Was it touch-and-go for a little bit?
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                     : I don't think we ever had that. The last record —just the critical and commercial reception of the previous record —was pretty negative. The same way I had that conversation with my friend, like, "What are you doing?" But being musicians who have been in it for so long, you have points where critical and commercial success are harder to come by. That's part of the ebb and flow of this industry. So it's getting your stripes. It was scary and new territory for us, but it also felt like we earned something. Now we're like, "Okay, let's get back to work."
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